the0thMonkey
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And once again, we see the Sui Generis community spring into action! 
You guys rock!
You guys rock!About to do a big mistake, buying new gaming computer :D
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Komuflage
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I just have to jump in here and ask, if the pixel fill rate GP/s is what's most important for SG, would my old 5970 - 46.4GP/s outperform a titan?
*Going back to lurking.*
Parco
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i looked around and switched the WD Desktop Black 1TB with a Seagate Barracuda® 1TB for 30£ less, so why not use those 30£ on the i7-4770KMuch better!
Didn't realise there was a 4771, but it sounds like a pointless chip (Intel just bumped the clock speed up 100mhz to match the unlocked 4770k)... Just as Rob said I'd suggest getting the 4770k instead if you're going to overclock, and you really might as well, just a little bit, it's only another £30!
To save a few quid to cover the chip cost you could switch the (slightly overpriced and really no better!) WD Black HD to a Seagate or any other cheap model. You could also consider a Home Premium license as there's really no benefit to Pro. If you're really not fussed about the chip then you might as well get a slightly cheaper motherboard too! Or not!
about the os, i agree. after i chose pro (didnt cost that much more than home premium) i started reading about what pro has that home doesnt, for those who dont know, and i got no use for the extra pro gives so im jumping back to premium. im looking around on different motherboards, but if im going for a different one then maybe ill go for MSI Z87-G45 Gaming or ASUS Z87-A
ZaratanCho
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The card on the PC i am using is Radeon HD 6670 6.4 GP/s Ouch.
Rob
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That would be the assertion!I just have to jump in here and ask, if the pixel fill rate GP/s is what's most important for SG, would my old 5970 - 46.4GP/s outperform a titan?
Oona
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What Rob said!
Sounds like quite an expensive system, are you building it yourself? If you tell me more of your requirements I'd be happy to help
Thanks guys!
I'm a total noob when it comes to these things. I'm so glad I asked here before getting anything.I'm looking for a powerful gaming system to last me at least three/four years, but something quiet, not one of those big noisy machines. That's what I asked for and got those specifications from another forum...
I do plan on building it myself. That's supposed to be a lot cheaper, and I hear it's easy too- even though I'm so clumsy and have never done this myself, I'm willing to try!
I'll read through this thread and see what I should get instead. I thought I could trust the person who recommended the previous components to me, but it seems they are quite ridiculous choices...? I might end up getting exactly what Parco's getting then! Haha!
Pilluminati
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CM Storm Devastator - MS2K & MB24
CM Storm Ceres 400 Gaming Headset
I'd definitely invest in a mechanical keyboard and a decent mouse.
Also, a better headset (unless you are planning to use your speakers a lot).
Just don't become an addict and start buying a new keyboard/caps every week lol.
CM Storm Ceres 400 Gaming Headset
I'd definitely invest in a mechanical keyboard and a decent mouse.
Also, a better headset (unless you are planning to use your speakers a lot).
Just don't become an addict and start buying a new keyboard/caps every week lol.
Parco
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if you are building just for gaming then you might not need to build it as expensive as im doing, my build will cost me here in norway around 2205£ with shipping. if gaming is the main purpose then you might get powerful computers for around 1500£ that are able to drive games on high settings, but if you got money to spare then its always nice to have a powerful computer to brag about
the plain old microsoft keyboard, a 4 year old razer deathadder (it started doubleclicking on single clicks, really really annoying) and the headset is a quite old creative HS-450 (1 cm of the bronze wire is exposed on it, this pretty much sums up why) so i guess it will be a upgrade from what i already got and its cheap
i know, but you could say its a nice upgrade from what im already using
the plain old microsoft keyboard, a 4 year old razer deathadder (it started doubleclicking on single clicks, really really annoying) and the headset is a quite old creative HS-450 (1 cm of the bronze wire is exposed on it, this pretty much sums up why) so i guess it will be a upgrade from what i already got and its cheap
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Pilluminati
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The mouse most definitely won't (if we overlook the fact that it's broken).i know, but you could say its a nice upgrade from what im already using
Keyboard, yeah, but it's still a crappy rubber dome, and even worse a "gaming keyboard".
Sorry to be sounding so negative. I'm just surprised you spend so much on the rest and then get those plastic toys
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Parco
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butbutbut, i love plastic toys
no offence taken, but as i mentioned earlier my savings will take a huge hit on this purchase, maybe later when my money allows it.
i dont really need to change my keyboard as it still works perfectly fine and i got no problems using it for games and such, but my mouse and headset,.. holy crap, bringing back my windows 95 mouse/headset would be better
no offence taken, but as i mentioned earlier my savings will take a huge hit on this purchase, maybe later when my money allows it.
i dont really need to change my keyboard as it still works perfectly fine and i got no problems using it for games and such, but my mouse and headset,.. holy crap, bringing back my windows 95 mouse/headset would be better
Rob
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Then the devil will be in the details. We didn't mention noise earlier when looking at Parco's build. Whether or not it causes noise heavily depend on exactly what brand and model you pick for various components - this is something we didn't look into earlier. There will primarily be three things that cause noise:
- CPU fan
- GPU fan
- PSU fan
- Case fans
Parco
Moderator
how about:
Corsair Carbide 200R
Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 550W PSU
Intel Core i5-4670K Processor
Cooler Master Seidon 120M CPU Kjøler
Gigabyte G1.Sniper B5, Socket-1150
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9
MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB PhysX CUDA
Samsung SSD 840 EVO 120GB OEM
WD Desktop Blue 1TB
this should be around 1240£ (w/o screen) and i believe it should perform quite well.
i was considering buying this alienware computer, if your looking for a finished built computer within this price class then maybe this is something for you. i never tried a product from alienware before so i dont know how reliable their products are.
Corsair Carbide 200R
Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 550W PSU
Intel Core i5-4670K Processor
Cooler Master Seidon 120M CPU Kjøler
Gigabyte G1.Sniper B5, Socket-1150
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9
MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB PhysX CUDA
Samsung SSD 840 EVO 120GB OEM
WD Desktop Blue 1TB
this should be around 1240£ (w/o screen) and i believe it should perform quite well.
i was considering buying this alienware computer, if your looking for a finished built computer within this price class then maybe this is something for you. i never tried a product from alienware before so i dont know how reliable their products are.
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Komuflage
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Alienware is pretty much the next level of Mac or Iphone, it's a good and reliable product that you can, get for under half the price from another brand.
In other words, Alienware pc are extremely overpriced. It's not a bad product, it's just over twice as expensive as an equilivent product would cost from another brand.
Komuflage
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From my own experience, I would gladly recommend Corsair to anyone who is buying a pc, now I'm not as cunning as Rob or Brendan (so take their words before mine) But it's a product that to me says Quality.
I've got a Corsair SSD for a year, no trouble what so ever.
a Corsair Power supply, which I've had for 4 years. Still going strong.
4 year old DDR3s also no problem with those.
I've never had a blue screen with my current pc (And from some friends experience a faulty PSU or Memory can cause quite some trouble)
Some other great brands are Cooler master and Fractal design, they both create really robust, quality cases.
Currently owning a Cooler Master HAF X - full tower. It feels really sterdy, it's roomy, and very easy to build in, it also got some really smart solutions for common "problems".
For instance, I got 2 Harddrive hot swaps, which is basically 2 removable frames from the chassis, in which I can but either a HDD or SDD. That way, I don't have to open the case in order to change HD (However there is ofc also 7slots for HDs inside the case)
There are clips instead of screws for the dvd readers (Dunno English name) and so on.
When it comes to Graphics cards I go for either Gigabyte or Asus, owned a few, never a problem with them.
I also chose Nvidia before AMD.
This is due to both my old AMD cards a 5770 and the top of the line 5970, had some severe frame rate problems in pretty much every game.
I could play BF3 in ultra and 1080P with the 5970, in 90 fps, just to have it drop to 30 and then back up to 90.
Currently I've a 670, which only gives me around 60, but it's much more stable, so no annoying drops.
hehe, noticed this got a bit to long, so I stop here, well, these are just my recommendation. But again, take Robs or Brendans words before mine.
Pilluminati
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Best bet is to just look at reviews (from various sources). Remember to keep in mind that people tend to be very attached to their own products and recommend them ignoring any flaws. With a bit of experience those types of people are easy to spot: "I have an HP notebook and it's great!! would definitely recommend it!!".
Brand awareness is good, but don't become attached to a certain brand. It should only serve as guidance to which products are worthy looking at. For example, you wouldn't even consider buying the latest Beats by dre.
Brand awareness is good, but don't become attached to a certain brand. It should only serve as guidance to which products are worthy looking at. For example, you wouldn't even consider buying the latest Beats by dre.
Komuflage
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I noticed this as well, hence I mentioned Why I personally prefer Nvidia nowadays over AMD GPUs.
But it's the same as some prefer xbox over ps, but can't give any arguments over why they prefer it. They've just attached them self to it, and flame anyone who say otherwise. (This is ofc the same for people who prefer ps over xbox)
Parco
Moderator
"i have had this graphic card in 1 week now and it works perfect, 5 stars!!!" i see alot of these kind of comments as well, not really much useful information unless you want something thats only supposed to last a week.
about what console is best, i own a xbox 360, ps2 and a wii, have tried the ps3 several times, all quite enjoyable to play on but pc is still the best console and you guys sux if saying otherwise
back to seriousness i never fully understood what the fuss is about, if you like the ps3 more then thats fine, just stop spitting in my face while trying to convince me. (real story behind this)
about what console is best, i own a xbox 360, ps2 and a wii, have tried the ps3 several times, all quite enjoyable to play on but pc is still the best console and you guys sux if saying otherwise
back to seriousness i never fully understood what the fuss is about, if you like the ps3 more then thats fine, just stop spitting in my face while trying to convince me. (real story behind this)
Oona
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Yeah, I heard the same about Alienware. I've only ever used Dell and Intel, but I don't know how much more expensive their already built systems are compared to building one yourself, with the same components. Personally I think if I get the components on my own I'll make a dumb mistake that's common sense to people who know this stuff.
