lol, well that speaks for itself doesn't it?
What I'm trying to say is that I don't want that sort of publicity for Sui Generis. Don't get me wrong, I hope Bare Mettle manage to make this the "next big thing", but I don't think there's a positive value in having the game travel in those circles, so to speak.
Let's assume that one person likes Sui Generis because of its comic relief potential (tripping over chairs, fighting in a way that looks uncontrolled and drunk...). Let's further assume that another person likes Sui Generis because he respects, and even admires, what the game is bringing to the RPG genre. The first person doesn't have any emotional attachment for the game, the second person does.One thing you should never do, however, is get to thinking that certain people aren't good enough to play the game you like because they don't like it for the same reasons. It's just silly.
Let's assume that one person likes Sui Generis because of its comic relief potential (tripping over chairs, fighting in a way that looks uncontrolled and drunk...). Let's further assume that another person likes Sui Generis because he respects, and even admires, what the game is bringing to the RPG genre. The first person doesn't have any emotional attachment for the game, the second person does.
Now your argument, as reasonable as it sounds, con only be used by people who don't have this emotional attachment towards the game. It's completely unrealistic to expect a person who feels personally involved with a certain product to remain impassible when others are making fun of it. That's simply not how humans are hardwired to think. What will happen is that 1) the emotionally-attached individual will of course consider those who make fun of the game unworthy of it and 2) if the game needs financial support, he will ratioanlize that although certain people are not good enough for the game he admires, their money is as good as anybody else's.
You just showed how unreasonable people can get when a position/idea they feel strongly about is being called into question. And that was my point actually; some people are going have a strong emotional attachment to Sui Generis, that is to say, they are going to feel strongly about it. For some of those people, videos like the ones I described in my previous post are going to be seen as disrespectful and the players uploading them are going to be seen as juvenile and, yes, even unworthy of the game. I never claimed that such behaviors are correct or desirable. I simply stated that they happen.Lets not forget that we're talking about a game here. Games are made to be enjoyed. If someone enjoys it, who cares how or why.
No one on earth is for any reason "unworthy" to play a game. Furthermore to say that the person that just enjoys the fighting mechanics is not as true or as worthy a fan as you are is about as bull as it gets. And to say that because they don't like the game in the same way you do, they're "Making fun of it" is stupid.
Example: some people play Skyrim to learn everything about the lore and storyline and play the game to utter completion. Some people enjoy putting baskets on people's heads. BOTH ARE CORRECT WAYS TO PLAY THE GAME. The end goal is enjoying yourself with a game, and if you do that, you're playing it correctly.
So you can shut up with this "certain people are unworthy of playing" pretentious crap.
"You just showed how unreasonable people can get when a position/idea they feel strongly about is being called into question."You just showed how unreasonable people can get when a position/idea they feel strongly about is being called into question. And that was my point actually; some people are going have a strong emotional attachment to Sui Generis, that is to say, they are going to feel strongly about it. For some of those people, videos like the ones I described in my previous post are going to be seen as disrespectful and the players uploading them are going to be seen as juvenile and, yes, even unworthy of the game. I never claimed that such behaviors are correct or desirable. I simply stated that they happen.
Does it matter if that happens though? Frankly I don't care one bit about those "enthusiasts" getting butthurt. As long as more people play and Baremettle get more income resulting in a better game I'm happy.You just showed how unreasonable people can get when a position/idea they feel strongly about is being called into question. And that was my point actually; some people are going have a strong emotional attachment to Sui Generis, that is to say, they are going to feel strongly about it. For some of those people, videos like the ones I described in my previous post are going to be seen as disrespectful and the players uploading them are going to be seen as juvenile and, yes, even unworthy of the game. I never claimed that such behaviors are correct or desirable. I simply stated that they happen.
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You're an enigma wrapped in a riddle, my friend.But what if I'm emotionally attached to this game AND I think it's okay that things look silly?
I'm afraid you misinterpreted me. When I said that you were being unreasonable I meant to say that your way of arguing was unreasonable and not that arguing a point was, by itself, an unreasonable thing to do. I should have clarified it better, my bad.Yes because arguing a point is unreasonable. I should just lay down at your mighty superiority for that is the only reasonable thing to do! I BOW TO THEE MY LORD!
I see. So if I provide scientific evidence to support my points you will see them on a different light? Let me try to do that then.BTW I don't appreciate this "Oh is just SOME people that MIGHT feel strongly about it" theme... Again you're projecting an idea onto others. Just speak of your own experience and don't try to talk for people. If you do then i'm arguing a fake point you've just made up and no matter what I say you'll just go "well that's no me its just some people out there" when realistically it's just you.
I fall under this category too. I very much appreciate what Bare Mettle is doing in Exanima/SG and I'm more excited about SG than I have been about any game in decades. However, I like to mess around in the game and do things for comic relief. Doing so not only enhances my enjoyment of the game but it is a crucial part of alpha/beta testing the game. People need to do things that are not typical in order to properly stress test the game. Not to mention that currently content is quite limited so once you do everything there is to do all that remains is doing the unconventional; doing strange or silly things just for the sake of it or to see what will happen.But what if I'm emotionally attached to this game AND I think it's okay that things look silly?
Very nice response, I'm sorry I misunderstood your point.I'm afraid you misinterpreted me. When I said that you were being unreasonable I meant to say that your way of arguing was unreasonable and not that arguing a point was, by itself, an unreasonable thing to do. I should have clarified it better, my bad.
I see. So if I provide scientific evidence to support my points you will see them on a different light? Let me try to do that then.
In the field of consumer behavior there is a theory called 'Balance Theory'. The theory has been traditionally used to explain the relationship between consumers, products, and product endorsers (such as celebrities or elite sportsmen). The theory suggests that when you feel neutral towards a certain product and you discover that such product is endorsed by somebody you like, your positive feelings towards that person transfer to the product and you start liking the product too. That's why celebrity-based advertisement works. Sounds reasonable so far?
Balance theory also has a different prediction, and this one is very relevant for the point I was presenting before. The theory suggests that if a person likes a product but he dislikes the product endorser, this person is going to experience a cognitive imbalance. In other words: it becomes more difficult to like something if you know that a person you dislike likes it too. The root of that phenomenon is people's 'need for cognitive consistency'. This phenomenon explains why some people end up disliking a product ex: the Twilight books/movies) because they disliked the fanbase first.
Let me explain how the phenomenon above relates to Sui Generis. Let's imagine a person who takes Sui Generis very seriously. He watches a video of somebody who also likes the game but, unlike him, that other player prefers to mess around with the physics. Let's assume that the serious player feels offended and starts disliking that person. According to Balance theory, now the serious player is experiencing an imbalance: he likes the game, but so does the person he dislikes. Balance theory offers several solutions to correct this imbalance; the serious player could stop liking the game (if such sillyness is possible, I want no part of it) but that's unlikely to happen if the serious player is sufficiently attached to the game. Another solution is to downplay the player he dislikes (he cannot appreciate the game, he is not worthy of it...). Both solutions allow the serious player to restore his cognitive balance and the latter is more likely if he is emotionally attached to the game. That was precisely my argument in my previous posts.
Of course, for balance theory to apply, the serious player needs to feel offended at the sight of the other player messing around with the game. If that doesn't happen, then no imbalance is experienced. That's why @TwoPumpWarrior may feel emotionally attached and still believe that it's ok if things look silly.
TL;DR: I was not projecting; I was just sharing my knowledge; searching for 'Balance Theory' and 'Need for Cognitive Consistency' should clarify and support the point I made in my previous posts.